Tuesday, May 29, 2007

An Old bottle



Update 15.2.2010: More on dating Suntory Old bottles

There is a story behind this whisky bottle. It was recovered near a submerged World War II tank in the Marshall islands by this chap. The Marshalls were fought over by the Japanese and the Americans in the war and there are relics from that fight scattered all over the islands.

Was this bottle left by a Japanese serviceman during the war? It had obviously been down there a while and Japanese officers were prodigious whisky drinkers. In fact, Nikka's Yoichi distillery was designated a naval installation during the war and given privileged access to supplies to make sure it pumped out enough of the stuff. Here is a close up, with the Suntory embossing clearly visible:



That might have been the way it happened, but the round, embossed bottle has a distinctly post war Japan feel about it for me. I asked the fellow who found it what is written on the bottle. You can see the "Suntory Whisky" clearly enough in the photo but he tells me the slogan curling over its shoulder is "A Blend of the Choice Whiskies". I hate to be a spoil sport but my feeling is that this is a bottle of "Suntory Old Whisky". Suntory "Old" was first released in 1950. It has had several rebrandings since then but the bottle shape has stayed constant. It seems to fit the shape of the bottle in the water:


Recovered bottle and 1950 bottle

I think we can date it a bit more precisely than that. The early bottles in this line bore the slogan: "A Blend of Ancient Whiskies". That was still on the bottle until at least 1968. The first bottle with "A Blend of the Choice Whiskies" I have found is the 1994 "Suntory Old Whisky - Mild and Smooth". Was it chucked in the water by some Japanese tourist? (Update: Unlikely, says the chap who found it: "There are no Japanese tourists out here. For that matter there are no tourists out here from anywhere. The only way to get out here is if you work or are from here.") Was it bought by a local or was it washed ashore after being jettisoned from some cruise liner or perhaps it floated all the way from Japan itself? It is a different kind of story from the romanticism of a doomed Japanese soldier taking a final sip before meeting his fate but it is symbolic in its own way: of Japan's rampant post war prosperity.

I suppose I had better drink the whisky after that long shaggy dog story. I don't have any of the "Suntory Old Whisky - Mild and Smooth" to hand, just the relaunched 2006 version:

The Suntory Old Whisky
Type: Blended



Smells of marmalade and varnish with very faint earth and undergrowth notes slightly complicating things. The taste is quite nice: a very thin caramel with grainy harshness and plastics peeking through, but very suppressed. Just creeps above the two star threshold, but barely. Though a blend, it is too pricey to qualify for the Mizuwari Death Match.

Alcohol
40 per cent
Price (April 2007)
700 ml - 1,504 yen

All pictures of the recovered bottle used with the permission of Island Life.

9 comments:

Barbara said...

Hi I have the same bottle but in better condition it has a silver screw on top and says it was est.1899 do u have any more info on this bottle do u think its worth anything, thanks

roce@comcast.net said...

Barbara, did you get an answer. I have an unopened bottle that says est 1899 also but it has a red cap. has to be more than 40yrs old because my grandfather supposedly brought it from Japan. Its in mint condition. 180ml Suntory Limited.

Nonjatta said...

Sorry for not getting back to you on this sooner. I had been meaning to post more fully on this on the main site. The stuff is up now. Please see this post on dating Suntory Old bottles: http://nonjatta.blogspot.com/2010/02/dating-suntory-old-bottles.html

Nonjatta said...

180ml rather than a full bottle indicates to me a newer produce, but I have nothing to back that up.

Anonymous said...

I found a bottle on the beach that does not resemble any of the bottles on the dating old bottles link. The bottle says SUNTORY WHISKY product of japan, a blend of the choice whiskies. and it has a design with a shield and a sword in the middle of the shield with some other things around it. Its not a paper label and the lid feels like a light metal. Just curious what year it is from. aksaxons@hotmail.com

Nonjatta said...

Please see the updated bottom of this post:
http://nonjatta.blogspot.com/2010/02/dating-suntory-old-bottles.html
Is this similar to the bottle you are talking about?
If so, I would guess post-mid 1960s, probably later.

judy hoffmann said...

Hello,
I just received a NOT OPENED ~EVER still has the seal on the lid and a band on lid as well. It reads:
suntory international Los Angeles, California on the seal of the lid. It looks old.Numbered 248912302.
The Top label reads:
A Blend of the choice whiskies
Produced in our distillery
Suntory Whisky
The S & W are in red and faded
The main label:
The final choice of mature taste
Old Suntory O&S in red
Japanese whisky J&W in red
A Blend of rare selected whiskies
distilled and bottled by
4/5 SUNTORY LTD. 86.8 proof
Distillery at Yamazaki, near Kyoto,Japan.

Like I said the bottle has never been opened and I can not find a date on it anywhere. I have read a few of you comments and find similar bottles but not this discription. Do you have any help for me on this?
Bratjudysmail@aol.com
Judy Hoffmann~ California

Nonjatta said...

This post may give you a bit more help
http://nonjatta.blogspot.com/2010/02/dating-suntory-old-bottles.html
It includes bottles that sound similar to yours.

Anonymous said...

We came across a bottle of Suntory Old Whisky when cleaning out our parents house. Unopened, the decanter is in the shape of a rabbit with flowers on it. any ideas on the year, etc.